This is Startups for the Rest of Us, episode 516. Thanks for joining me this week. As you know,

every week on this show, we cover topics related to building and growing ambitious startups,

but they're ambitious yet sustainable. They're startups that live within our life and help us,

help our employees and our customers and other people who are involved. These are obviously not

nonprofits, but they're not the typical Silicon Valley startups where people are sacrificing

their freedom, their purpose, their relationships in order to build these companies and

we're fundraising can be a goal in itself. We want to build real businesses with real customers

who pay us real money, and we want to do

it in a meticulous and disciplined way, in a repeatable fashion to where we could build many,

many businesses in the same fashion.

We don't want to rely so much on luck like a lot of the big venture-funded companies do.

This week I'm talking with a returning guest, Matt Wensing, about when to rewrite your SaaS codebase. It's something that he's just

spent the last three or four months doing. But before we dive into that, I wanted to cover two

talking points. The first is, you might be noticing that my co-host emeritus, Mike Tabor, has not

been on the show in quite some time. I believe it's been about three months. Mike and I've been

chatting via email and text, and we even did a phone call today. And he has stuff that's going on that he really isn't able to

talk about in public. And he has things going on that are interesting and are very likely to push

his business forward in interesting ways. But when you can't talk about it in public, it doesn't

make for an interesting podcast.

You know, he's still working on Blue Tick, and, you know, I do want to get an update from him on

that and everything else that's going on, but we both agreed that for now he should hang tight,

and he's going to let me know when the things that he is working on can essentially be

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