Hello everyone. Welcome to the final podcast for season 5, episode 512, Never My Love.

This is Matt Roberts, executive producer and writer.

You probably already noticed that the main,

the recap, we did in a slightly different way for this episode.

Each shot in the recap was from only a scene that Claire was in, and we stylized it to be, to give you, to draw you in right away,

to make you, to tell you this isn't going to be a standard episode.

You can see we came right into what we called when we started working on this a long time ago, this episode, I kind of imagined at the very beginning of the breaking Tony and I when we first

started talking about it had ideas of this dissociation of Claire when she's going through trauma we wanted to find a safe place for her to go and

We came up with this idea of an imagination, her imagining her family cloaked around her.

So really even before all the episodes were written, we were talking about this particular

episode because a lot of times when we're breaking the seasons we'll pick a place to you know where we going to end because you always want to know where you're going and then you can you can start you know filling in the episodes to get you there

to tell you to tell that whole story so from the very beginning of the

breaking of season five we knew we were going to end up here.

How we were going to show this.

What we did in the script is Tony and I wrote really big.

We wrote all these elements and we actually come wrote them out as little vignettes.

Knowing that not all of it was going to make it to screen.

It just couldn't.

So there was a lot more dialogue, there was a lot more things involved,

you know, in the actual sequences, but once we got it into script

and once we got it into prep, you know, conversations with Jamie Payne who directed this episode. We talked extensively about how we were going to show these and of course they weren't going to be the full vignette once we edited them out you know when they

would just be snippets of once we saw the what we were calling the reality footage which is the moments where you know where where what we would call present day

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