This is Biz, and if hosting One Bad Mother for over 10 years has taught me anything,

it's that parenting is hard and nobody gives a shit. So belly up to the low bar,

where fine is good enough and you'll never feel alone. This is One Bad Mother.

This week on One Bad Mother, we are still banned. I continue speaking with Cheryl Klein about

adoption and anxiety and so much more. As you may remember, our conversation was so good,

we just kept going. Cheryl Klein's column hold it lightly appears monthly-ish in Mother

Magazine, one of our faves. She's also the author of Cry Baby, put out by Brown Paper Press,

which is a memoir about wanting a baby and getting cancer instead. You can find out more about Cheryl

by going back and listening to last week's episode or as always, checking out the show notes of

this week's show. Now, let's go back to where we left off. Okay, Cheryl, you have been through

quite the journey. If I'm going to be like a hallmark card, kind of smug ass hole, you've been

through a journey. And so you clearly really wanted to have children in your house.

And you went, dare I say, through hell to get two children in your house. Therefore, you are not allowed

to have any mixed families about the decisions. The end. No, not the end. For everybody,

if you hadn't, go back, listen to last week's show where Cheryl shares with us the incredible

journey. Again, I hate fucking saying journey. The incredible like excel spreadsheet of hell process

navigating the world of adoption and getting two wonderful kids into her. Oh, thank you. Gabe has

just ex-hell sheet. That's the name of this particular. Yeah, there's the title of the episode.

Let's just go ahead and say that this week one this week on one bad mother. We are back with Cheryl

Klein in ex-hell escape. Where are we talking about anxiety and maybe not always enjoying being

a parent no matter how kids got in her house. Cheryl, I want to talk about anxiety as well as, you know,

sort of the duality of how we feel about having kids in our house. And I don't really know which

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