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🗓️ 15 September 2025
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Last week's assassination of right wing personality Charlie Kirk last week was a shock -- and so was the choice of many left and liberal media outlets to publish pieces that lauded the openly supremacist activist for his contribution to American political life. Ezra Klein wrote in The New York Times that Kirk was "practicing politics the right way." Rachel Cohen wrote in Vox that she was "sitting shiva" for a man she described as saying "blatantly antisemitic things," and Ben Burgis offered that at least Kirk "didn't descend into personal attacks." Briahna, who also debated Kirk, felt differently. She discusses the hagiography of Charlie Kirk with journalist Zaid Jilani and whether the left is troublingly indifferent to anti-Black racism if delivered "politely." Note that this episode was supposed to include a lengthy conversation about Matt Taibbi's refusal to cover censorship by right-leaning institutions, but, alas, the conversation didn't get that far. Fortunately, Brie has recorded a separate follow-up interview on that topic to be relased shortly -- stay tuned.
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| 0:00.0 | Ezra Klein's article |
| 0:01.3 | substantively applauds him |
| 0:04.3 | for doing politics the right way. |
| 0:06.9 | The article is called practicing politics the right way. |
| 0:10.8 | But are you angry at the King family? |
| 0:12.5 | Are you angry at the King family |
| 0:14.2 | for not denouncing his racism |
| 0:16.2 | or whatever you think they should be doing right now? |
| 0:17.9 | I think you're also falling into this binary trap. |
| 0:20.6 | The argument is that you have to die. |
| 0:22.6 | No, wait, let me finish. |
| 0:23.4 | You kind of started it with the white with the race feeding. So. Well, you never let me even finish the point about that. It's not race fading. It's funny. It's funny that you're like, said it's not. You're selectively racialist and humanists. Wait, how am I, how are I selected migration is? |
| 0:37.0 | No, you're playing, you're accusing me. |
| 0:38.6 | Why did you want, why don't you want yours? |
| 0:40.6 | No, you know what? You're just like Charlie Kirk actually, said? You sound just like if that's hilarious. Wait a minute. Do you think that Charlie Kirk was racist? Do you think that Charlie Kirk is racist? I think he did say some racist though. I think you just said some racist stuff with the white liberal thing. Everyone's a little bit racist. Wait bit racist than you and me. Wait, I'm sorry. Is Ezra Klein a white liberal? Why is his skin color? |
| 0:59.9 | Is Ezra Klein a white liberal? I mean, it's pretty racist to focus on the fact that they are |
| 1:04.5 | Is his white liberal? Are you going to focus on the fact that he's Jewish and people. I'm getting to that by the way people, religious people, Brianna, unlike you secular pagans are raised to love our enemies, okay? I know you don't understand that. You don't understand what A lot or not. Let's talk about, Zed. Let's talk about how much Ezra Klein. You are so out of touch with everyday Americans. |
| 1:46.4 | How Ezra Klein loves his enemies. Because the entire world is always a political civil war to you. And of course you don't understand why you don't convince people in politics. Because you're so sectarian. It's like I'm talking to fucking Hezbollah right now, right? A guy was killed and people are just trying to sympathize with his family. So Ezra Klein has love the guy. Ezra Klein has been very notably slow to his condemnation of the genocide in Gaza. |
| 1:52.0 | That's not true. |
| 1:54.0 | A week after the war started, he was opposing it. |
| 1:57.0 | A week after the war started on his podcast, he was opposing it. |
| 2:00.0 | It is absolutely true. I listen to his podcast almost every week. That very first week after the war started on his podcast, he was opposing it. It is absolutely true. |
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