Welcome to my fifth episode of Off Air with Carmen.

This week's guest is my brother Bill Martin.

Of course if you listen to the morning cruise you hear Bill and I along with our third Dave every weekday morning.

Bill and I have worked together for almost 17 years and I can honestly say I've learned as much about the Bible from Bill as I have anyone.

In this episode Bill and I are going to talk about one of Bill's favorite subjects

and mine too, scripture.

What happens when you set the Bible aside in the name of looking more like Jesus?

And are there red flags to look for when someone has done that?

Bill gets pretty heady in this conversation, just like so many conversations we've had off air but I

guarantee you if you listen all the way through you'll learn important stuff you can

use in your own life as you grow in your understanding of the Bible. Here's my conversation with Bill.

All right, Bill Martin. We're doing your favorite thing right now.

Ah, we're... I get to do this with you. Yes this is crazy it is. We've moved

out of the studio. Yeah we're sitting on this white leather couch. Yeah. And we're just going to talk. We are going to talk and here's the thing. Number one, you're the first guy. It's only appropriate that you or Dave and I didn't know which one it would be.

Would be the first man on my podcast. I knew it be you or Dave and it's you. So I will get Bill

and I mean no wait I've only worked with you for 16 years. I will get Dave in here at

some point. I won't tell him you said that.

Oh my goodness.

Oh my goodness.

Oh my goodness.

But yes, we are sitting in my office.

Do you want my snuggie because I threw it to the side and you seemed a little sad?

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