Episode 497: The Progressive Christian Checklist & Ending Online Worship with Tish Harrison Warren
The Holy Post
Phil Vischer
4.6 • 4.1K Ratings
🗓️ 23 February 2022
⏱️ 90 minutes
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Summary
Why do black seminarians graduate with a lot more student debt than whites, and what does it mean for churches? A recent Gospel Coalition article by Alisa Childers argues that the word “deconstruction” is universally bad and should not be redeemed. Is she right or is it another example of Christians overreacting to a complicated issue?
Then Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn take Childers’ online quiz to determine whether they are progressive Christians. Anglican priest and author Tish Harrison Warren talks to Skye about her controversial New York Times column saying it’s time to end online streaming worship services, and she argues that the pro-choice movement is hypocritical for not making the choice to keep a child easier. Plus, Phil shares his hard won wisdom about what not to post on Twitter.
News Segment
0:00 Intro
3:56 - Trucker protests in Canada
6:55 - COVID death rate graph
https://twitter.com/philvischer/status/1495044505363492866
14:42 - Black seminarians graduating with more debt
https://religionnews.com/2022/02/17/black-seminary-grads-with-debt-higher-than-others-cope-with-money-and-ministry/
Glenn Packiam interview: https://www.holypost.com/post/episode-496-the-embrace-of-tyrants-the-despair-of-pastors
26:43 - Deconstruction
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/redeem-reconstruction/
Interview with Tish Harrison Warren
“The Systemic Realities Created by Legal Abortion” article - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/22/opinion/roe-legal-abortion.html
“Why Churches Should Drop Their Online Services” article -
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/30/opinion/church-online-services-covid.html
49:41 - Guest intro
51:40 - Abortion and a broken system
55:50 - Feminism and abortion
1:00:23 - Online worship services
1:01:42 - Importance of embodied worship
1:06:04 - Technology in community
1:18:25 - Pushback from people unable to attend services
1:29:37 - End
Other Links/Resources:
https://tishharrisonwarren.com/
“Liturgy of the Ordinary: Sacred Practices in Everyday Life” book - https://amzn.to/3IbFy9l
Patreon Bonus Segments:
Full abortion conversation with Tish Harrison Warren - https://www.patreon.com/posts/62922779/
Bonus news story - https://www.patreon.com/posts/62922997/
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to episode 497. On today's show, why do black seminarians graduate with a lot more |
| 0:06.2 | student-death than whites? And what does it mean for churches? Then a recent gospel coalition |
| 0:10.9 | article by Elisa Childers argues that the word deconstruction is universally bad and should not be |
| 0:16.5 | redeemed. Is she right? And Phil Caitlyn and I take Childers online quiz to determine whether or |
| 0:22.1 | not we are progressive Christians. Then I talk to Anglican Priest and author Tish Harrison Warren |
| 0:27.7 | about her recent controversial article in the New York Times saying it's time to go back to |
| 0:31.9 | in-person worship and to end online streaming services. All of that, plus Phil learns an interesting |
| 0:38.0 | lesson on Twitter about posting COVID data. Before we jump in, another reminder that we're quickly |
| 0:43.1 | approaching our 500th episode and we are inviting our Patreon supporters to participate in helping |
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| 1:24.9 | here is episode 497. Hey there, Phil Vissier. Welcome back to the Holy Post podcast. I am here |
| 1:30.7 | with Caitlin Chess. Hi, Caitlin. Hi, Phil. And Skygitani. Hi, Sky. Hi, Phil. And Jason Ruggs also |
| 1:38.8 | here. Hi, Jason. Hey there. And we are here for your not their dining pleasure. They're listening |
| 1:45.2 | pleasure. They're learning pleasure. What sort of pleasure are we trying to provide? Intellectual |
| 1:50.7 | pleasure. Boy, you guys are going to be our goal. Yeah, that's a good, that's a very good point, Sky. |
| 1:57.2 | Yeah, we're here to make you miserable in the name of Jesus Christ. Okay, it's time for the theme |
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