Episode 495: The False Gospel of Democracy with Robert Tracy McKenzie

The Holy Post

Phil Vischer

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🗓️ 9 February 2022

⏱️ 91 minutes

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Summary

Should churches stop live-streaming their services and return to in-person worship? A recent editorial by Tish Harrison Warren has gotten a lot of negative reactions from chronically ill and disabled people who value online worship. What does the debate say about our theology of the church? ABC has suspended Whoopi Goldberg for her comments about race and the Holocaust. Is Judaism a race, a religion, an ethnicity, or something else?

Some Christians are praising Stephen Colbert for talking about how his faith informs his comedy on his talk show, while others are criticizing him for not explicitly sharing the gospel. Who’s right? And David Brooks’ recent NY Times article about the evangelical leaders trying to save their movement makes the Holy Post crew ask—When do we try to fix a ministry and when do we leave it? Then, Skye talks to history professor Robert Tracy McKenzie about his new book “We the Fallen People” about what the Founders really believed about democracy and the virtue of the American people. He explains how Americans lost the Founders’ belief in human depravity and exchanged it for a false gospel that affirms the inherent goodness of people and democracy, and how that explains the challenges we are now experiencing in our politics.

News Segment:

0:00 - Intro

4:29 - Should churches stop live-streaming services?

Tish Harrison Warren article: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/30/opinion/church-online-services-covid.html

Skye’s video, “Why You’re Sick of Church” - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TqmTugUfT0

16:52 - Whoopi Goldberg’s comments on race and the Holocaust

26:01 - Stephen Colbert on faith and comedy

36:47 - Institutions - when to fix and when to leave

David Brooks article: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/04/opinion/evangelicalism-division-renewal.html

Interview with Robert Tracy McKenzie:

“We the Fallen People: The Founders and the Future of American Democracy” - https://amzn.to/3gvwP5J

Patreon Bonus Interview - https://www.patreon.com/posts/62311740/

56:04 - Interview Start

57:57 - “Democratic gospel” definition

1:02:02 - Founders’ beliefs about democracy and human nature

1:12:46 - “The Great Reversal”

1:20:21 - Jackson and unchecked democracy

1:23:22 - Christianity and partisanship

1:26:03 - Imperial presidency concerns

1:30:08 - End

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0:00.0	Welcome to The Holy Post. On today's show, is it time to end live streaming of worship services?
0:05.9	And what about those who can't return to in-person worship?
0:09.1	ABC has suspended Wuppie Goldberg for her comments about the Holocaust and race,
0:13.8	causing us to ask the question, what does it mean to be Jewish?
0:18.0	Then Stephen Colbert talked openly about his faith and vocation as a comedian,
0:22.4	but did he go far enough? And David Brooks' new article in The New York Times
0:26.7	causes us to ask, when is it okay to leave our churches or institutions, and when should we stay
0:32.0	and try to repair them? Then I talked to a history professor Robert Tracey Mackenzie about his
0:37.2	book We The Fallen People, and how America's founders really didn't have that much faith in the
0:42.0	American people or democracy. Here is episode 495. Hey there, welcome back to the show. This is Phil
0:48.4	Michelle Mishar, this is Holy Post podcast. I am here with Caitlin Shes. Hi Caitlin. Hi Phil.
0:55.5	And Skyjitani. Hi Sky. Hey everyone. Or should we call you heaven, Jitani? Sure.
1:04.4	We just learned that Sky's name in, well Sky in Spanish is also the Spanish word for heaven. So
1:12.7	I think that's almost your name. It's the same in Greek and Hebrew also, like when
1:17.3	they refer to the heavens, they mean the sky. Why did we change it? Why did we break it apart in
1:22.7	English? That's a good question. I don't know. Who do we ask? Who would know? Probably Google.
1:29.3	You think so? Yeah. We have a lot of confidence in Google. Yeah. The etymology of Sky and Heaven would
1:35.1	not be hard to find on Google. Jason Rugg is here also. Jason, one question. Have you walked yet
1:40.3	today? I did actually. Yeah. Good job. How far? Three and a half miles. Wow. That's good.
1:48.1	This sits in the 20s, so it's not too bad. No. No. It was starting to snow a little bit towards
1:53.2	the end, so that wasn't as fun. But yeah. But you'd have a hat on, so it was okay. I did.
1:59.2	It fixed my hat hair before this. Now it's time for the Fabesogger.
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