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You are not alone.

You have found other people.

You and I have a friend in common.

Every stupid thing that a writer could do I've done.

I think it's really beautiful.

Gee, what I struggle, you know?

It was incredible.

You know, it was like your head exploded, seeing what was really there.

And now here's your host, Brad Listing.

Just one person in just one time. Hey, everybody, how's it going? Welcome to the Other People podcast. I'm Brad Listy. I'm in Los Angeles. It's great to be with you. And I have an excellent show for you today. I'm very excited to have Jared Middleton here. He is the author of a novel called Darken Saw. It's called Darkenaw. It's available now from DeZank Books. It is the

official November pick of the Nervous Breakdown Book Club. And Jared and I had an incredibly

rich conversation. We recorded a while ago. He was swinging through town on a book tour. He was

traveling the country and reading for people, and he stopped by and sat down.

And it was just one of those conversations that got me excited when I thought about being able to

share it with you. So that is coming up in just a moment. Jared Middleton, his novel one more time is

called Darkensaw. And before we get going, I do feel like it's very important to talk about

the Matthew Salis's fundraiser that I'm doing. If you're new to the program or are not aware of

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