Oh, Hello, welcome to another episode of Lines Love by Donkeys Podcast. I am your host Joe and with me today is Rich.

Hi guys.

And Rich is going to this one completely cold, which is interesting.

I literally have zero clue what we're talking about today,

and Joe refuses to tell me, I'm not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing.

Both. So this is going to be interesting for both of us because your grandfather was a

pretty highly decorated Vietnam veteran wasn't he? I want to see you're right with

Vietnam that sounds right I know that he was a retired sergeant major who is a green berry in the 60s, we're going to assume he went to NAM.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Okay, so yeah, he was Special Forces, retired as a Sergeant Major and

he worked in government for over 50 years. So yeah I'm guessing

Nam yeah. And my stepfather is a fairly highly decorated Vietnam veteran as well.

So this one is pretty interesting to me because I guess as someone who's in college, Rich is also attending college, and the current

climate in America today, people seem to have this idea that colleges are this bastion of incredibly

left-leaning almost militant ideas and at one time that was true and that's why we're going to be talking about

the student protest movement during the Vietnam War and more specifically we're going to be talking about the shooting at

Kent State.

And full disclosure, the SDS which I talk about in length, my stepfather was a full-fledged member of the SDS and did several direct actions with them.

So if I did my best to sound as neutral as possible, but it's kind of hard. So call me out if you really want to, it's fine.

I mean, you're not exactly a neutral podcast, so I wouldn't be too worried about that.

I don't know what you're talking about.

And so in order to get to what we're talking about today so you have never heard of the

Kent State shooting. Okay so I want to say I've heard of it. Is it is it where the

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