Just what I thought I was out.

They pulled me back in.

Greetings dear listeners.

This is Jonah Goldberg.

This is another exciting well to be determined whether it's exciting episode of the Remnant Podcast.

This week's episode is once again brought to you by Conversations with Bill Crystal.

We'll have more about that in a little bit.

But today we have a special guest.

He's actually, I guess I first met you ten years ago at a conference at Oglethorthorth.

Oglethorthorth, yeah.

That disembodied voice you hear is none of the Jake Cost, the author of the great new book, The Price of Greatness, Alexander Hamilton and James Madison,

and The Price of American Oligarchy, or something very close to that.

Creation of American Oligarchy.

And so as you were saying apparently, one of the things you have to do these days, it's sort of like mortal combat.

You have to pick two founding fathers and have them fight each other.

We'll get to all of that in a little bit.

But for listeners who don't know, Jay is also now an adjunct.

What is your title?

Visiting scholar.

Visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, which makes me very happy.

You're contributing it at a weekly standard.

You write a column for national review.

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