So welcome to a new roadblock, it's fake democracy.

We're going up the wrong way. We're going to have to stop.

Creivics up, a secret wars, and they can expose them all.

We're going up the wrong way. We're going to have to stop. So welcome to episode 49 of the

podcast, a podcast that does not have a previously unknown sister called Donantiata.

My name is Chris Kendall.

I'm an EU official of many years standing, but that's not entirely irrelevant because I'm here in a strictly personal capacity.

And with me is my co-host.

Steve Bullock, I'm an ex-negotiator for the UK in the EU of many years sitting, mainly actually, very little standing unless I was absolutely forced to.

I did have a boss once actually who decided that to shorten the length of meetings.

You'd have bird table meetings where everybody stands up, as if you were like standing in high tables.

But the only thing is we didn't have any, it's not necessarily terrible idea, but we didn't

have any high tables.

So we just went into a meeting room and didn't sit down.

And it was just weird.

Oh, that's just bonkers.

You had to bend over to get your papers and stuff.

That's ridiculous.

Because you could have used all our fancy coffee tables in the commission canteen. Yeah, yeah, no, we didn't have any of that. No.

See, we have stand-up tables in our own.

We have, because we're in an open-source bit of, it was very unusual, we're in an open-source office.

Open-source?

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