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Episode 483 - "Woke" Academia vs. the New Red Scare (w/ Dr. Charisse Burden-Stelly)

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4.52.6K Ratings

🗓️ 19 June 2025

⏱️ 83 minutes

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Professor of African-American Studies, scholar of political economy and historical sociology, and author of Black Scare / Red Scare: Theorizing Capitalist Racism in the United States Charisse Burden-Stelly returns to Bad Faith to discuss the No Kings protests, the media backlash to the L.A. protests, the new Red Scare, and what history tells us about how to fight back. She also weighs on on why neoliberal pundits from Jake Tapper to Zadie Smith have been attacking the paradigm of "oppressed vs. oppressor," and why it may be time for the left to firmly defend "woke."

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I don't want any of these people to have power.

0:02.4

So if I'm ever disheartened, which I rarely am, but I'm more disheartened with liberals.

0:07.7

Liberalism is the problem. The

0:23.6

The I feel like I left the country for one week and, you know, you guys weren't holding down the fort while I was gone.

0:50.2

Oh my gosh.

0:51.7

Or conversely, well, so, you know, the L.A.

0:54.5

protest kicked off that I think is holding down the court.

0:57.8

But then, you know, you got the bombing of Iran yesterday by Israel, U.S.

1:04.5

So there's that.

1:06.2

So.

1:07.5

Yeah.

1:08.1

So, I mean, like, Dr. CPS, I reached out to you in part because the focus during the

1:14.2

week when I reached out to you of the media cycle was on protests both in Los Angeles and a sort of

1:22.9

doubling down on campus protesters as horrible, evil Marxists who hated Israel in Judaism.

1:30.8

And as someone who wrote a book about not just the Red Scare, but Black Scare, Red Scare,

1:36.6

and the focus in a contemporary context on black protesters and this sort of op personality

1:43.7

that emerged on the internet that kept saying,

1:46.7

this isn't our problem, ICE isn't our problem, our being black folks in America,

1:51.7

these immigration issues, these protests aren't our business, we should stay out of it,

1:55.9

made me immediately think of you in the parallels you may or may not be seeing with the historical moment

2:03.5

of Black Scare, Red Scare, half the century ago and what's going on now. And sorry, I just

2:08.8

jumped right into this about introducing you. We're talking to Dr. Charisse Burden Stelly, Dr. CBS. She's

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