The day that there is a party, Republican or Democrat, that offers a humane vision on those issues,

rather than just feeding those in power with my blood, sweat, tears, and money,

and oppressing me in order to make sure they can maintain that power, then I'll vote for that party, but not before that. All right. It is my extreme pleasure to have back on Bad Faith podcast, Craig McIber.

You know him as the former UN human rights official and specialist who stepped down from his position a few weeks after October 7th in late October of 2023.

He stepped down as the director of the New York

Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights. Welcome back to Bad Faith Podcast.

So good to be back with you, Brianna. Thank you. I should ask you how long you've been back

stateside, because, of course, you just came back from this Sarajevo tribunal,

where you set forth a really powerful statement of condemnation of the behaviors, actions of

Israel since October 7. Tell us a little bit about what motivated this Sarajevo statement

in the four-day conference to be put together in the first place?

I think some of your, a lot of your viewers, will be familiar with the Russell Tribunal,

the history of the Russell Tribunal. It was like 60 years ago as the world was horrified by what

the U.S. was doing in Vietnam, you know, its acts of aggression, serial atrocities against the people

of Vietnam. And as they were witnessing the absolute impunity that was being afforded to the U.S.

while it was committing those crimes, a lot of people were extremely frustrated as witnessed by the

anti-war demonstrations of those days. Because no states, no group of states, no international institutions

seem to be doing anything to end the horrors that were being perpetrated in Vietnam. And that,

you know, sent a very strong message to people in civil society who cared that freedom was

not going to come from the outside. It would only come from popular resistance inside

of Vietnam and global solidarity outside. And in that context, you had Bertrand Russell, the prominent

British philosopher, public intellectual, who launched the first People's Tribunal. That was an

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