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COURTSIDE with Neal Katyal

Episode 48 (original 2020 series)

COURTSIDE with Neal Katyal

Neal Katyal

Politics, News, Society & Culture

4.9614 Ratings

🗓️ 22 January 2021

⏱️ 8 minutes

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Summary

December 29, 2020


A deep dive into what Republicans & Pence can do on January 6. (Short answer: nothing)


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0:00.0

Welcome to Courtside, everyone, a discussion of the post-election litigation brought by Donald Trump.

0:05.6

It's day 56 after the election. Yes, that's right. Eight weeks ago, we had this election.

0:12.7

And just about eight weeks ago, we know who won. The litigation count stands at one out of 60 cases that Donald Trump has won.

0:20.9

Put differently, 59 different courts across the country

0:24.3

have rejected his ludicrous claims of election fraud.

0:28.1

And it's not just courts.

0:29.5

The FBI has rejected it.

0:31.6

Former Attorney General for Trump, Bill Barr,

0:34.3

has rejected it.

0:35.6

Even Mitch McConnell has rejected it, but Trump like a sore loser

0:40.0

continues on. And its new hope is that Vice President Pence somehow will rule for him on January 6th.

0:48.8

This has about as much chance of happening as President Trump nominating Merrick Garland and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

0:56.2

to the United States Supreme Court in the next two weeks. I explained this in detail in the

1:01.2

New York Times today in an op-ed, and I'm going to do some summarizing here, but I'm also going

1:05.6

to add some Katyal color, because color isn't really, you know, what the New York Timesy kind of style is. So here we go.

1:14.5

First of all, there are two different texts that you have to understand. One is the 12th Amendment,

1:20.4

and the other is the Electoral Count Act of 1887. And together, what they do is they give the vice president

1:26.9

what we lawyers call a ministerial role.

1:30.5

That means a ceremonial role.

1:33.0

That's a role particularly suited to this vice president who seems incapable of having an actual

1:40.1

independent thought or frankly any real connection of neurons. But, you know, basically what the

1:47.5

Electoral Count Act says is that on a certain day this year on January 6th, the vice president is to be,

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