Episode 478: Foreign Policy, Adoption, & Race with Esau McCaulley & Jamie Ivey

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Phil Vischer

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🗓️ 13 October 2021

⏱️ 95 minutes

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Summary

This week is a special a double feature! First, Phil talks to Esau McCaulley about his recent NY Times editorial about President Biden’s vengeance against terrorists in Afghanistan. McCaulley asks why so few Christian politicians seem to have Christian instincts, and what role should forgiveness have in American foreign policy. Then, Skye interviews author and podcaster Jamie Ivey about her experience as a white mom raising black kids, how it’s changed her understanding of race, and why she no longer believes love can solve every problem. Also this week—new polling indicates a frightening number of people on both the right and left want to disunite the country. Are we on a path toward civil war, and is social media to blame? News Segment Trump voters are worried about anti-white discrimination and think

Christianity is under attack [4:00]

https://news.yahoo.com/84-trump-voters-worry-discrimination-143538052.html

https://twitter.com/robertpjones/status/1447601670595223557

People on the right and left wanting to disunite the country [15:10] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10050039/More-HALF-Trump-voters-want-red-states-secede-union.html

Interview w/ Esau McCaulley Interview Start: [25:41]

“The Dangerous Politics of ‘We Will Not Forgive’” https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/19/opinion/revenge-forgiveness-terrorism-biden.html

“Reading While Black” https://amzn.to/3lxPtx5

Interview with Jamie Ivey: The Happy Hour with Jamie Ivey: https://www.jamieivey.com/podcast-2/

“God Made You to Be You” https://amzn.to/3BEHmnX

Ivey Family Interview with Emmanuel Acho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONTXrsvenUY

Interview Start: [54:14]

The decision to adopt [58:48]

Jamie’s background [1:00:54]

Parenting differently and the church’s response [1:08:54]

Connecting kids with black heritage [1:19:50]

Frustration and hope with the church [1:28:12]

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0:00.0	Welcome to episode 478. This week we have a special double feature. First off, Phil and I talk
0:05.8	about new polling that indicates the frightening number of people on both the right and the left
0:10.3	who want to disunite the country. Are we on a path towards civil war? Then Phil interviews
0:15.9	Isal McCauley about his recent New York Times editorial about President Biden's vengeance
0:20.8	against terrorists in Afghanistan. He wonders why so few Christian politicians seem to have Christian
0:26.8	instincts, especially as it comes to foreign policy. Then I interview Jamie Ivy about her experience
0:32.5	as a white mom raising black kids. How has it changed her perception of race and why she believes
0:38.2	love can no longer solve every problem. So, lots of cover this week. Let's jump right into it. Here
0:43.6	is episode 478. Hey there. Welcome back to the Holypost podcast. I'm Phil Visher. I am here.
0:49.6	It's an unusual show. I am here with just only singularly Skyjitani. I fell. This feels so
1:00.2	intimate. I know it is. It's just the two of us for drinks for coffee or coffee or is it craft beer
1:06.4	or what are we today? It's La Croix. Oh, it's La Croix. What flavor? It's green. What is it?
1:12.6	Lime. Oh, yeah. Well, there you go. Just lime. Not lime. Raspberry twirl or something. No,
1:20.7	just straight up lime. Not pantomouse and lime. That's my favorite. This feels like we should be
1:28.0	having almost a Charlie Rose-like conversation in a quiet space. Yeah. The pre-sexual assault
1:36.6	Charlie Rose kind of environment. Well, that puts kind of a spin on the mood right there.
1:43.3	You had me at sexual assault. Okay, never mind. See you later. Here's a theme song.
2:10.2	Okay, why is it just Sky and me? Sky and I? Why is it just me? So Sky and me? Yeah.
2:18.0	Because we're doing something different. This is a slightly different show. I had a story that I
2:25.5	wanted to cover, which isa McAulay, the professor from Wheaton College, who also writes for the
2:32.8	New York Times, had a column in the New York Times that I thought was really interesting. And so I
2:36.5	pulled it so that we could discuss it on the show. And then I thought, well, wait a minute. Why don't
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