Back in January of 2024, a few months after October 7th, and I should say that I denounced the violence perpetrated by Hamas in southern Israel on October 7th.

I think I want to get that on the record. I have no brief for it whatsoever.

It was a whole lot of adjectives that we could run down if we had the time. It was a bad thing. I have

no justification or argument for it. It's not justified by, and then we can go into the history,

and there'll be different points of view, but that history doesn't justify what was done. I'm against it.

Okay, but I had Omar Bartoff, the historian colleague of mine.

I've known him for 20 years.

He's a professor of history here at Brown University.

We've served on high-level university committees under the leadership of Ruth Simmons when she was here as president, Omar and I together.

I know him well.

I know he writes books about cities in Eastern Europe whose Jewish populations were decimated by the Nazis,

and he knows a lot about the history of the Holocaust. And he's Israeli himself, isn't he?

Yeah, he's Israeli. Right. And he thought at that time, this January of 2024,

months after October 7, but well into the Israeli response, incursion and the Gaza bombardment,

he thought it bordered on genocide, and he basically said so. He's a student of genocide. He thought it

bordered on genocide. He ran down in the National Court of Justice International Crime Court,

United Nations, you know, whatever. And I had him on the show. And I got a note from the staff saying,

oh, we're sponsoring the Glenn show, but we don't want to be mentioned when you give credits

for that particular episode. That was in January. I mean, nothing else. No finger wag, no reprimand.

Just the, we'd like to dissociate ourselves from that episode. I said, okay. And we did.

Now, a smart person with their finger in the wind

who said, oh, I touched on a third rail.

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