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Every stupid thing that a writer could do I've done.

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Gee, stay in West, struggle, you know? It was incredible. You know, it's like your head exploded, seeing what was really there. And now here's your host, Brad Listy. Just one person at just one time. Hey, everybody. How's it going on? Brad Listy here in Los Angeles, California. This is the Other People podcast. Welcome to the Other People program. I'm very pleased today to have Jonathan Saffron 4 as my guest. His novel, Here I Am, is now available in paperback from Piccador. He and I are going to be in conversation momentarily. We had a very good talk. I'm excited to share it with you. Before I get there, I do want to read some mail from listeners. A listener named Stephanie writes, Dear Brad, you're not alone about

Trump. I'm totally obsessed. It's affecting my life in negative ways. I need a 12-step. Just this week,

per the advice of my therapist, where I am not advancing toward my own self-actualization

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