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It's Complicated

Episode 47 - Trump Gets Gagged; Jordan Gets Dragged; The Band Played On

It's Complicated

Renato Mariotti

News, News Commentary, Politics

4.81K Ratings

🗓️ 20 October 2023

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

This week: Judge Chutkan issues a narrowly-tailored gag order on Trump, is it narrow enough to not violate the 1st Amendment? Jim Jordan does not get the votes to become Speaker; will Republican voters make their representatives govern? The thought of Jordan being 2nd in line to the presidency was very distressing so let’s talk about music!

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free shipping. So Renato, will this gag order that Judge Chutkin just ordered against Trump hold up in court?

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Eh, it's complicated.

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I'm Renato Mariati. I'm a former federal prosecutor, a practicing lawyer, and a legal analyst.

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And I'm Asha Rangappa. I teach national security law at Yale University. I'm a former FBI Special

0:44.9

Agent and I'm a legal contributor for ABC News. And we're here to help you

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understand topics that can't be boiled down into a soundbite or a tweet.

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So, Aisha, I have to tell you I was a little bit surprised by Judge

1:02.8

Shutkin's ruling. I really thought she had signaled in that prior

1:06.9

hearing that she was going to move the trial date if he violated her order or did engage in some misconduct.

1:16.4

And so I was a little bit surprised that instead of going in that direction,

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she ended up issuing a gag order.

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But isn't that sort of, she's got to leave that, she's got to leave some room.

1:27.0

Could get worse, that sort of thing?

1:30.0

Well, you know, in foreign policy there's a concept called escalation dominance, which means that in order to remain the stronger party, you always have to have a higher place to go.

1:45.0

If you have nowhere else to go, then you basically seated escalation dominance and the other party is going to be better

1:53.7

that is going to be in a better position this reminds me of a do you remember

1:57.2

he's Seinfeld where George Kostanza talked about having hand in a relationship.

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I don't remember, I think we remember this too long ago,

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