Your ring watches, your phone listens, it seems so Orwellian, but there's an older meme too if you can smell what I'm stepping in.

To Elon Musk, the Tesla's SpaceX and Neurrelink

chameleon, EVNs justify the means.

It's downright Macavvelian.

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All systems go.

Matthew, Klippenstein, welcome to T.C.'s charcast, so great that you could join us.

Thank you very much, T.C. and crew.

Yes, well, we were talking to ourselves this morning in the audience and it occurred to us that you are the second

Klippenstein we've had on the show but fear not you're the first Matthew.

Right yes well that's always nice to be first in something.

Indeed. So, you know, we've known each other for quite a long time at least virtually and we've spoken

a few times now and we've been long planning to have you on the show and great that you can finally join us and we certainly appreciate you spending some time with the with the team and the audience this week.

You've heard the show, you know the routine, why don't you introduce yourself to the audience,

walk through your bio, you have a fascinating background and we're very excited for the show that

we're going to have today.

Sure, yeah, definitely.

Okay, so yeah, my name is Matthew Klippenstein. I'm a chemical engineer. I've spent 20 years in the clean tech sector.

Some fuel cells, some EV infrastructure, some wind and solar. I'm a Canadian live in Vancouver area and people often

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