In today's episode of Startups for the Rest of Us, Tracy Osborne turns the tables and interviews me about what I've been up to for the past year.

This is Startups for the Rest of Us, episode 468.

Welcome to Startups for the Rest of Us, the podcast. It helps developers, designers, and entrepreneurs

be awesome at building, launching, and growing startups. Whether you've built your fifth startup or you're thinking about your first. I'm Rob. Today with Tracy Osborne, we're here to share our experiences to help you avoid the mistakes we've made. Welcome to this week's episode. I'm your host, Rob Walling. Each week on the show, we cover topics relating to building and growing startups, but startups that are real businesses, not the Silicon

Valley myth of building a company and having billions of people adopt it organically,

virally overnight and not paying you, and suddenly you come up with a monetization strategy.

We talk about building real businesses where real people pay us real

money. We talk about building businesses that provide us with a purpose that we're fascinated

with, but we don't sacrifice our lives at the expense of building these companies. We also talk

about building companies that provide us with the freedom, and it's the freedom from a day job,

it's the freedom of working on crappy projects, and it's the freedom to own our job. It's the freedom of working on crappy projects

and it's the freedom to own our own destiny. We have many different show topics. Oftentimes,

we talk about tactics or teaching. We answer a lot of listener questions, sometimes with guests.

We do founder hot seats and we also have interviews as well as breaking news episodes like we did

last week with AD PNR.

This week we turned the tables on me as Tracy Osborne.

It takes the interview seat.

And she asked me about really about what's been going on for me post-Drip.

And it focuses around tiny seed.

That's really the main day-to-day thing that I've been doing since then.

And during the course of the conversation,

we look at some highs, some lows, things that have been surprises. It's really the background

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