Episode 46: Thomas Page McBee
Gender Reveal
Tuck Woodstock
4.7 • 1.3K Ratings
🗓️ 19 March 2019
⏱️ 51 minutes
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Summary
In this week's episode, Tuck speaks with masculinity expert Thomas Page McBee (he/him), author of Amateur and Man Alive. Topics include:
- What does non-toxic masculinity look like?
- Does testosterone really cause aggression?
- Can non-masculine folks help dismantle toxic masculinity?
- Being afraid of men… and then becoming one.
- Using violence as a cover for intimacy.
- Embracing trans joy.
Learn more about our This Week in Gender topics: the Arizona two-spirit powwow; Indiana; Maryland; Vermont; and new third-haircut emojis.
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | What? Welcome to gender reveal, a podcast where we ask intrusive personal questions and hopefully |
| 0:20.5 | get a little bit closer to understanding what the hell gender is. |
| 0:24.6 | I'm your host and resident gender detective Molly Woodstock. |
| 0:28.7 | Hey everyone. Welcome to the season finale of gender reveal, season three. |
| 0:39.0 | It has been such an incredible season. We spoke to cartoonists like Archie Bonjevani and Carter |
| 0:44.2 | Monier. We talked about decolonization with a lot of folks like Sedale Rashatwar and Caleb |
| 0:48.8 | Luna and we talked to some of my personal best friends and favorite people like Z. Giffler and Aubrey Chen. |
| 0:55.1 | If you haven't listened to last week's episode yet with Jack Malstrum, I really hope you do. |
| 0:59.6 | I learned so much. |
| 1:01.6 | Talking about indigenous histories and culture is so important to me. I was so |
| 1:05.2 | excited as I am with every episode with indigenous folks and I really hope you'll take a |
| 1:09.4 | listen. Anyway, this week on the show I am so excited to share my chat with Thomas Page McB, author of Man Alive and Amateur. |
| 1:18.0 | We talked about dismantling toxic masculinity and celebrating trans joy. |
| 1:23.3 | Obviously dysphoria can be real |
| 1:25.6 | and it's really scary and it's like important to talk about |
| 1:28.8 | amongst ourselves and it's like a you know it's a real thing that happens to people |
| 1:31.9 | but also it's not even close to |
| 1:33.8 | 1% for me anyway of what defines my experience of being trans and I think that idea |
| 1:38.8 | of trans joy and and joy about our bodies and about gender and even though we live in a world where |
| 1:44.2 | gender is such a oppressive structure for so many people including maybe many of |
| 1:49.4 | us like it's also like we are people who have figured out how to break free or liberate ourselves from so many expectations and like what an amazing community we are for that. |
| 2:00.0 | Speaking of Thomas's books, I am giving away my personal copy of Man Alive to one lucky |
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