We're excited to be having a conversation with someone.

When they have that revelation, it's making the show.

Packer seems to be interested in that.

John McPhee has brought this up.

From One World Trade Center in Manhattan, this is the New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production of WNYC Studios and The New Yorker.

Welcome to The New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick.

Today on the show, we're going to meet a woman with the weirdest job you've ever heard of,

and we're going to hear a story about a school year from hell

by a master of short fiction, Donald Bartlemy.

With the herb gardens, it was probably a case of overwatering,

and at least now they know not to overwater.

The children were very conscientious with the herb gardens,

and some of them probably,

you know, slipped them a little extra water when we weren't looking.

Or maybe, well, I don't like to think about sabotage, although it did occur to us.

I mean, it was something that crossed our minds. We were thinking that way, probably because before that, the gerbils had died and the white mice had died and the salamander.

Well, now they know not to carry them around in plastic bags.

That's later this hour.

One of the many incredible things about this presidential election,

and none of us can count them at this point

is that gary johnson a two-term governor of new mexico and a former CEO of a company that

sells marijuana products is currently polling at around eight percent in matchups against

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