Hi everybody and welcome to another Robcast.

I'm here with David Kessler who is an expert on grief,

dying, loss, everything from the loss of a loved one

to what happens when we die on this side of death,

to infertility, to divorce, to, I mean,

the things that you've written about,

it's just extraordinary.

And you all know I love to hunt down fascinating people

and then learn everything I can with them.

And we usually turn a microphone on

because it's always more fun when more people are involved.

So David, thank you so much for coming.

Great to be here, great to be here.

It's just an honor.

And you've written books with Elizabeth Kubler Ross

who I studied in college.

Those of you who studied it,

like the five stages of grief and loss,

then you are in some way familiar with David's work already.

But I have a thousand questions,

but I'll just start with,

and probably the question everybody is listening,

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