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Oh, my God.

You are not alone.

You have found other people.

You and I have a friend in common.

Every stupid thing that a writer could do I've done.

I think it's really beautiful.

Jesus, stated what I struggle, you know?

It was incredible.

You know, it's like your head exploded, seeing what was really there.

And now here's your host, Brad Listing. Just one person at just one time. Right, right, right. Here we go again. This is it. This is the Other People podcast. Welcome to the program. I'm Brad Listy here in Los Angeles. Thank you for tuning in. I appreciate that. My guest today is Roxanne Gay. Her new story collection is called Difficult Women.

It's available now from Grove Press.

This is Roxanne's first appearance on the podcast since, what is it, 2012?

January of 2012.

It's been five years since she originally appeared on this show. She was my guest in episode 34 in support of her debut story collection, Aiti.

That was five years ago.

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