Katherine Eban is an investigative journalist and contributor to Vanity Fair. Her latest article is ”The Lab-Leak Theory: Inside the Fight to Uncover COVID-19’s Origins.””You can't make a correction unless you know why something happened. So imagine—if this is a lab leak—the earth shattering consequences for virology. For the science community, for how research is done, for how research is regulated. Or if it is a zoonotic origin, we have to know how our human incursion into wild spaces could be unleashing these viruses. Because COVID-19 is one thing, but we're going to be looking at COVID-25 and COVID-34. We have to know what caused this.” Thanks to Mailchimp for sponsoring this week's episode. Show notes: @KatherineEban katherineeban.com Eban on Longform Eban on Longform Podcast 00:00 Bottle of Lies: The Inside Story of the Generic Drug Boom (Ecco • 2019) 00:00 "The Lab-Leak Theory: Inside the Fight to Uncover COVID-19’s Origins" (Vanity Fair • Jun 2021) 01:00 Nicholson Baker on Longform Podcast 01:00 "The Lab-Leak Hypothesis" (Nicholson Baker • New York Magazine • Jan 2021) 03:00 "The Plague Fighters: Stopping the Next Pandemic Before It Begins " (Evan Ratliff • Wired • Apr 2007) 12:00 @TheSeeker268 14:00 Eban's Vanity Fair archive 16:00 Eban’s Twitter thread 26:00 Alina Chan on Twitter 32:00 "Statement in support of the scientists, public health professionals, and medical professionals of China combatting COVID-19" (Peter Daszak and many others • The Lancet • Feb 2020) 34:00 "Origin of Covid — Following the Clues" (Nicholas Wade • Medium • May 2021) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices