Leanne, let's talk about Chief Justice Roberts, his rebuke of Donald Trump.

How rare is it to hear something like that?

Yeah, it's absolutely rare.

Chief Justice Roberts has issued warnings before, not so directly, but just saying that the independence of the courts should be upheld and should be, you know, not admired, but yeah, should be upheld.

I forgot my word there.

But this was a moment that the Trump administration and Republicans and Maga World did not like the fact that Chief Justice

John Roberts inserted himself into this conversation. You have people who are piling on,

including Elon Musk, saying, you know, sending threatening like messages to John Roberts. And this is

where the Trump administration thinks that so many of these cases are going to end up. And you

have Stephen Miller and other Trump administration officials who are confident, who were confident,

that the Supreme Court is going to uphold

the Trump administration in a lot of these cases once it gets there. And so part of the playbook

is not only to intimidate these justices, but really make their case in the court of public opinion and get the rallying

republicans behind them in order to put pressure on these justices and these judges along the way

so that they think that they can win these cases to other people people, they say, we're doing this for a reason. We're testing the boundaries.

And White House officials will tell you we're specifically picking challenges to take up to the

Supreme Court. And we're trying a lot of different things. So this is a concerted effort, is it not, to push the boundaries and see what sticks and see what doesn't stick?

Well, it sure is.

And I look at this, Joe, in sort of two tracks.

One is the political, you could call it the conventional, which is Trump is trying to sort of do government cutting. He's

got somebody out there at Elon Musk who's catching a lot of flack for it. You and I know that

Trump doesn't like folks who are diverting attention from him, and he certainly doesn't like them

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