that President Biden is reportedly considering preemptive pardons of Trump's political enemies,

maybe on January 19th or 20th.

What's your feeling about that?

I got to say, I feel like I'm out of step with most of the commentariat on this,

because from the very beginning, from the first time that was first reported,

I just felt like, oh, yeah, definitely you should do that. And I know it's not that simple. And I know

I understand the arguments against it, which is, as Biden himself has articulated, like,

these people have done nothing wrong. why do they need a pardon?

I also understand, like, oh, if you give these pardons, then that will give you less of a moral leg to stand on for criticizing Trump's abuse of the pardon power.

Trump is already very happy abusing the pardon power.

Trump gave a pardon to Jared Kushner's dad and now is making him ambassador to France.

Like the idea that Trump is looking for, like, other recent presidents to decide what's morally and politically acceptable when it comes to pardons is ridiculous.

He pardoned Paul Manafort.

He, you know, interfered in in Roger Stone sentencing and got Michael

Flynn's plea over it. I mean, the guy, anyway, the idea that there's any sort of like

moral calculus that involves a comparison of Donald Trump to anybody on these things, I just think,

is not living in reality. And I think that Biden, realistically, can count on the

fact that Trump is not going to act in good faith, that if he's going to put in an attorney general

who at the Republican National Convention said, yeah, lock her up, I love that, if he's going to put

somebody like Cash-Qanon-Patel and the head of the FBI who says he's going to put somebody like Cash-Qanon Patel and the head of the FBI,

who says he's going to abolish the FBI and turn it into a museum of the deep state, I mean,

yeah, you're not talking about a good faith cast of characters who's planning on using the

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