This is a headgum podcast.

You know, it's a very specific moment.

I think especially maybe in a male's life, just when their confidence is slowly broken down over a period of time.

Oh, you mean puberty?

Puberty, yes.

I think it starts at puberty and it slowly, until you become like an acceptable human.

Yeah.

Like when you're a young

child people are trying to break down your confidence but you're too stupid and unaware to like give a

shit exactly that it's happening and then all of a sudden puberty happens and you suddenly care

what other people think and it's bad it's all's all bad. Yeah, I just remember like specifically

when I realized that my pants didn't fit. Oh, they were too big? They were too big. I was wearing a

big, roomy khaki. But you, I mean, this is still in the time of Jinkos, though. This, no, this was

post Jinko. This was post Jinkos already. This was, we had moved on to a... We as a nation had moved on to a boot cut.

Oh, okay.

But that was...

Jinkos were very...

I think maybe just my whole high school was behind, but Jinkos were rampant at my high school.

Sure.

I liked the idea of pants that concealed your shoes.

Mm-hmm.

It just looked like you had,

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