In December 2020, a Latino couple was falsely accused by a white momfluencer of attempting to kidnap her children.

The Karen phenomenon where white women falsely accuse people of color of crimes usually fixates on the

accuser the so-called Karen. But for this series we focus on the

innocent couple at the heart of this story. I just want the public to know

what she did was wrong.

In Perfect Paradise People versus Karen,

available now wherever you get your podcasts. Greetings Ed, Ed, welcome to the long form podcast. I am Evan Ratliff, one of your three co-host, the other two, here with me, Erred Lamer, Ed Max Lindsky.

Hello?

Hey, guys.

Uh, hey Evan, the podcast, this week you hosted it.

Uh, who is your conversation with? I was privileged to host the podcast this

week Max this week this week I was really excited to talk to Latrea Graham who is a

writer she's based in South Carolina. It's hard to categorize her work because she's written

so well about so many topics, but she is a contributing editor at Garden and Gunn magazine.

She's written about the South.

She's written about culture, books, music.

She's written big features.

She's written about sports and she also has written a number of

really beautiful personal essays over the years and she has a pair of stories well she has a story in the most recent issue of outside, which is kind of a follow-up to an earlier piece, which was called,

We're Here, You Just Don't See Us. That was the original piece. It was about being black in the outdoors, which is another area that she writes about a lot, her life in the outdoors.

And then her most recent piece is called Out There, nobody can hear you scream. And it's a follow-on to that we talk about it a lot but she also had

insights on every topic from the very practical how do you create a

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