and Mark, maybe the most obvious and not necessarily groundbreaking, but to oppose the Trump

administration, Democrats need to win more elections. Tell us about that. Yeah, this may seem

self-evidence to people, but I actually think it's a very important lesson right now,

is that a lot of people tend to organize around issues. And there's good reasons for that.

You know, issues are why we elect politicians, right? We elect politicians so that they enact good

policies. But we sometimes lose sight of the fact that we're not going to get those policies

unless we change the composition of who's in office. So we need to have a new opposition that is first and

foremost focused on winning elections. You know, the difference between having a Democratic

governor versus a Republican governor, the difference between having Democrats control state

legislatures versus Republican state legislatures is more important, I would argue, than anything else, right?

You can argue at the margin about what the policies should be or shouldn't be when they are

elected, but the gap between a Democrat and a Republican is so wide that right now that is

more important than the inter-party dispute about which Democrat will enact better incremental

policies than another Democrat.

Same, obviously, for Congress. We have important midterm elections coming up in two years.

And the difference between Speaker Jeffries and Speaker Johnson is more important than any

difference between and among Democrats. And so we need to be ruthlessly focused on how do we recruit and

run candidates that can win? How do we make sure they are funded? How do we make sure they

have messages? How to make sure that they are supported and not attacked by parts of the opposition.

The opposition needs to unite around recruiting and running effective elections.

The second thing you talk about is the importance of having a big tent of thoughts and ideas within the Democratic Party.

Yeah, they're panicked right now. Tell me about this, because you can see they're trying to lay the groundwork.

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