Life Audio Hey, welcome to the Happy Ramp Podcast. I am Ted Cluck. joined as always in studio, by my good friend, my partner in radio,

Barnabas Piper, pipe, Ronald is off sailing. He's off, you know, being like

the character and the Dr Leo Marvin movie that we always reference

what about Bob he's he's sailing with the harbor network doing harbor network business

uh... what at harbor used to be called before they were Harbor

Sojourn already were they acts 29 oh sojourn yeah so they which I mean here's the thing that sounds like a solidly maturing

Organization like sojourn has a sort of like gen X angst to it

You know like really kind of a kind of a getting after it. There's a real like, you know, grind and gravel to it and then after you're kind of in a dark

A dark sanctuary. Yeah, there's a little bit of lighting on the stage, but not too much. Yeah.

And then, and then Harbor just screams like monogramed polo shirts and deck shoes and like a certain lap and scarves.

Yeah, just a, well like it's just a solid middle class, like upper middle class

kind of arrival point. And isn't that what we all is like as much as we knock it when

we're kids like you get there and you're like yeah this isn't a bad life like I'm a

homeowner I got somebody who does my lawn service. Yeah.

Kids are out of the house.

Life is good.

Those guys have all gamed how to make money as pastors too, which is fascinating.

And they're doing it, man.

They're living life. And yeah, if Harbor was like a movie, it would be it would be a musical. You know what I mean? Whereas if Sojourn was a movie, it'd be like a, it wouldn't be like a Paul Thomas Anderson level like of of angst but I'm trying to

attach a director to it like a 90s director. I mean it'd be a little Christopher

Nolini. It'd be Christopher Nolenny, dude.

That's the vibe.

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