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Greetings dear listeners, this is Jonah Goldberg. I'm here in my lot to say where we are in

Sherman Oaks at the

Palaischl James Bond Villain Blowfeld like headquarters of Ben Shapiro's Empire. It was a little daunting having to walk over the

the shockingly narrow bridge over the shark tank to come in here. And so I have with me Ben Shapiro.

Ben, welcome to the remnant. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

So we just finished recording. So this is one of these weird fluctuations with the space time continuum. We just finished recording your Sunday special TV thing.

Exactly. But this will appear much earlier than I think so.

Yeah. So even though listeners know I have a deep and abiding almost puritanical reluctance to even remotely promote my own book on my own podcast.

I will say that we did have a long conversation about the book which I am grateful for.

That's great. Both of you book in the conversation.

Thank you. Thank you. And we'll try to avoid some of that so we can keep that part of it. So people don't feel like they're getting a repeat.

They're getting a repeat of our conversation about that. But let's just stipulate. I'm not too worried about it. It'll be okay.

But Ben, you know, Ben has some views about the enlightenment and the Jews that he feels I did not give sufficient respect for.

And we had a discussion about that. And he asked me towards the end all sorts of questions about Donald Trump that you'll just have to tune in to find out about my main objection to the book is that it started. There are no Jews in this book.

Because that's what I was really trying to get a blur from Jeremy Corby.

So the first question, you know, in Washington, there is this sort of among some conservative types. Washington in New York, this is view among some conservative types that you are kind of like the Targaryen royal court in exile here in.

I don't get naked nearly as often.

Well, count your blessings. This is a good thing. But in that you're building your, you know, your defraaking army out here. And at some point you're going to come riding east and wipe us all out in that, you know, it sounds kind of great.

Yeah, I'm not in the downside here. Yeah. So, you know, I mean, our friend John Padoras came out here recently to visit you. And you said, oh, this place is amazing. And he was right. You didn't tell me about the shark tank. But he said it was amazing. But he said, like, my God, in five years, we're all going to be working for Shapiro.

So why don't you just sort of start off by like tell me, you know, do you have peaceful intentions towards you know, everybody else? Where does this empire end?

I'm like president Trump. I don't betray my intentions. I just do. You know, I don't want to get that. That's exactly right. I don't want to give away my strategy in advance. Only idiots and fools give way they're strategy in advance.

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