Episode 41: Fear and Loathing in Los Angeles
The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg
The Dispatch
4.7 • 6.6K Ratings
🗓️ 18 May 2018
⏱️ 64 minutes
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Summary
Megan and Ryan decided to go to marriage counseling after their last fight resulted in the police being called. After being married for 7 years, the marriage was falling apart, and Ryan now had a police record for domestic violence as a result.
The conflict did not start with Ryan hitting his wife, as the arrest record portrayed. Rather Megan was aggressive towards him – throwing things, hitting him, and physically blocking his only exit. In an effort to defended himself and get away from her, he shoved her. But when the police arrived they saw a 6’ tall man, Ryan, and a 5’ tall woman, Megan, so he was arrested.
Desperate to make his marriage work, Ryan reached out for help from a therapist. Megan was more than happy to go to a therapist now that Ryan had a police record as she believed that inoculated her from any wrongdoing. But it wasn’t too long into the session that the therapist identified Megan as a narcissist and Ryan as a co-dependent.
Narcissists and people pleasers are strangely drawn towards each other. While opposites do attract, the bond between these personalities is strong as each unknowingly meets the dysfunctional needs of the other. Here is how:
Distorted perception. Narcissists think of themselves first and very little of others while people pleasers think of others and very little of themselves. Both, however, believe that their way of perceiving is correct. It is not. The neglect of others (narcissism) is selfish and causes unnecessary distance, confrontation and lack of intimacy. The neglect of self (people pleasing) creates unwanted exhaustion, increased anxiety and contributes to a lack of intimacy. Without a balance of self and others, a person cannot be fully intimate.
Driven to rescue. Narcissists and people pleasers love to rescue others however, they do it for very different reasons. Narcissists gain a sense of superiority from saving others because they were able to solve something the other person could not do on their own. In exchange for the help, narcissists demand unending loyalty. People pleasers gain a natural high from the same act as they love to feel needed. This strokes their ego and impression of self as a selfless person. In exchange, people pleasers expect friendship.
Craving admiration. This is the key to both personalities: the need to be admired by others. Narcissists believe they should be adored because of their expertise, superiority, beauty, intelligence, or accomplishments. It does not matter if they have achieved anything special, narcissists believe they are above others and deserve constant admiration. The term “people pleasers” defines the essential need for satisfying others and seeking their approval. Without admiration, people pleasers and narcissists become starved usually resulting in an emotional explosion.
Misguided affection. Affection is not intimacy. Sex is not intimacy. Affection is not sex. However, narcissists and people pleasers are unable to make these distinctions. They see all three as the same thing. Affection is showing tenderness, kindness, and gentleness towards another person. Sex is a physical act which is designed to bring pleasure to both parties. Intimacy is a deep connection between two people where they are equally transparent with one another. Narcissists and people pleasers crave affection but are frequently willing to settle for sex. Often the sex is one way: narcissists seek to satisfy themselves and aren’t concerned with pleasing others. People pleasers want to satisfy the other person and sacrifice themselves. Neither are comfortable being transparent with another person.
Need for control. Both parties have control issues. Narcissists control through demands, manipulation, and abuse. They are often very aggressive about insisting on their own way and expecting others to fall in line because they said so. Controlling others feeds their self-righteous ego. Because people pleasers cannot be seen as aggressive or assertive, they often use others to control through guilt trips, excessive kindness or passive-aggressive behavior. They are masters at concealing the need to control through niceness. They must control others to feed the desire to be liked by everyone.
A pattern of unforgiveness. Narcissists won’t ask for forgiveness instead they expect others to make excuses for their poor behavior. They also don’t grant forgiveness to others, even for the same offense, and instead, tend to be very vindictive. People pleasers grant forgiveness without being asked and ask for forgiveness even when it is not their fault. However, they are unwilling to forgive themselves for similar offenses. This unequal scale for both the narcissist and people pleaser stem from a belief that they are different than everyone else. The narcissist believes they are better and the people pleaser believes they not worthy.
Exposing these areas for Megan and Ryan took considerable time and effort. Both were highly resistant at first because at some level, their dysfunctional relationship worked for both of them. But to achieve the level of healing that they desired in their marriage, this dysfunction needed to be revealed, processed, and eliminated. Once it was done, they discovered a new functional attraction to one another that was far healthier than the trauma bond of before.
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| 0:00.0 | music |
| 0:20.0 | Greetings dear listeners, this is Jonah Goldberg. I'm here in my lot to say where we are in |
| 0:25.0 | Sherman Oaks at the |
| 0:27.0 | Palaischl James Bond Villain Blowfeld like headquarters of Ben Shapiro's Empire. It was a little daunting having to walk over the |
| 0:40.0 | the shockingly narrow bridge over the shark tank to come in here. And so I have with me Ben Shapiro. |
| 0:48.0 | Ben, welcome to the remnant. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. |
| 0:51.0 | So we just finished recording. So this is one of these weird fluctuations with the space time continuum. We just finished recording your Sunday special TV thing. |
| 1:03.0 | Exactly. But this will appear much earlier than I think so. |
| 1:06.0 | Yeah. So even though listeners know I have a deep and abiding almost puritanical reluctance to even remotely promote my own book on my own podcast. |
| 1:17.0 | I will say that we did have a long conversation about the book which I am grateful for. |
| 1:22.0 | That's great. Both of you book in the conversation. |
| 1:24.0 | Thank you. Thank you. And we'll try to avoid some of that so we can keep that part of it. So people don't feel like they're getting a repeat. |
| 1:30.0 | They're getting a repeat of our conversation about that. But let's just stipulate. I'm not too worried about it. It'll be okay. |
| 1:35.0 | But Ben, you know, Ben has some views about the enlightenment and the Jews that he feels I did not give sufficient respect for. |
| 1:43.0 | And we had a discussion about that. And he asked me towards the end all sorts of questions about Donald Trump that you'll just have to tune in to find out about my main objection to the book is that it started. There are no Jews in this book. |
| 1:55.0 | Because that's what I was really trying to get a blur from Jeremy Corby. |
| 2:04.0 | So the first question, you know, in Washington, there is this sort of among some conservative types. Washington in New York, this is view among some conservative types that you are kind of like the Targaryen royal court in exile here in. |
| 2:25.0 | I don't get naked nearly as often. |
| 2:27.0 | Well, count your blessings. This is a good thing. But in that you're building your, you know, your defraaking army out here. And at some point you're going to come riding east and wipe us all out in that, you know, it sounds kind of great. |
| 2:39.0 | Yeah, I'm not in the downside here. Yeah. So, you know, I mean, our friend John Padoras came out here recently to visit you. And you said, oh, this place is amazing. And he was right. You didn't tell me about the shark tank. But he said it was amazing. But he said, like, my God, in five years, we're all going to be working for Shapiro. |
| 2:53.0 | So why don't you just sort of start off by like tell me, you know, do you have peaceful intentions towards you know, everybody else? Where does this empire end? |
| 3:02.0 | I'm like president Trump. I don't betray my intentions. I just do. You know, I don't want to get that. That's exactly right. I don't want to give away my strategy in advance. Only idiots and fools give way they're strategy in advance. |
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