Hi everyone, it's Sky. Thanks for tuning in. Just a few things before we start the show.

Our conversation with Jen Hatmaker in this episode was recorded before the outbreak

of protest and riots following the murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis. For that reason,

the topic is not addressed in this episode. No doubt we'll talk about it on an upcoming

show, but until then, we wanted to make you aware of a few resources. First, regarding

the history of systemic racism, we encourage you to go back and listen to Holypost episode

267, where Phil and I discussed the new Jim Crow and the efforts made following the Civil

War and throughout the 20th century to marginalize communities of color. That show will help

you understand how we got to this moment in American history. Second, Phil has written

a provocative piece at Holypost.com called, racial injustice has benefited me a confession.

For those of you who struggle to understand the idea of white privilege or the impact of

economic and political policies on people of color, Phil's piece is a must-read. Finally,

to honor God and the memory of George Floyd, I recommend reading an article by Christianity

today called, George Floyd left a gospel legacy in Houston. We'll include a link to that

and Phil's article in the show notes. Of course, if you're looking for a way to get more

involved in police and criminal justice reform or issues of race and reconciliation in general,

we suggest talking to your church leaders or other ministries working on these issues

right in your community. Okay, with that, here's episode 407 with Jen Hatmaker.

Hey there, welcome back to the podcast. This is the Holypost podcast. I'm Phil Visher.

I am here with Christian Taylor. Christian, you muted yourself. You're muted. You muted.

Sorry. You know, it's a good thing because I said, hey, Sky. You said, hey, Sky. That was

beautiful. And Sky, Chitani, Hi, Sky, are you? Good. Hi. Hi. Is your air conditioning working?

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