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Hey everyone, welcome to the Outlander Podcast.

I'm Executive Producer Matt Roberts and I'm here this week with

Shaina Fuell, I'm a writer and producer.

The writer of this episode, actually.

Of this episode.

Blood of my blood.

Yeah, actually, this is one of those episodes that if Tony was here, she'd be talking about how I changed the title, but this particular one I didn't.

Yeah, there were some things thrown out, but you fought for this one from didn't. Yeah there were there was some things thrown out but you fought for

this one from the beginning to the end. You're okay with it. I really did like this

title. Well it speaks to a lot of what what happens in the episode and I think that's always what I'm looking for but then

doesn't totally give it away and I think that's what's a that's always what works well in a title.

This was, if I remember correctly, we were,

you covered this episode as well in Scotland.

Yeah, it was the dead of winter.

We were there for January, February.

Every episode, every block we send a writer over to cover the episode, meaning they work with the producer there and the director

written by Shannon Fuel right there.

And look, we have the snake in the privy.

And our director, Denise Denome.

So they work together in the prep and as we filmed.

So Shayna actually wrote the episode,

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