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Episode 404: Psychologst, Ilker Abak

Freshly Grounded

Faisal & Sam

Muslimpodcast, Freshlygrounded, Islam, Religion & Spirituality

4.9941 Ratings

🗓️ 24 September 2025

⏱️ 125 minutes

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Faisal sits down with Ilker Abak, a Muslim psychologist from Melbourne, to dive deep into the world of psychology, therapy, and emotional well-being. Together they unpack what clinical psychology actually is, why therapy carries so much stigma, and how emotions like anger, jealousy, and stress can be understood rather than suppressed.

Ilker shares powerful insights on:

👉  The difference between therapy and Islamic guidance, and where they overlap.
👉  Why identifying emotions is harder than most people think.
👉  The role of childhood in shaping adulthood and why your past doesn’t have to define you.
👉  Anger, avoidance, and the triggers we often mislabel.
👉  Addiction, including the taboo around pornography, and how to break the destructive cycle.
👉 Marriage, parenting, and learning the skill of “fighting fair” in relationships.

Most importantly, Ilker highlights the need to demystify therapy, showing that it’s not just about “telling someone how you feel” but about building real strategies for a balanced and meaningful life, all while staying rooted in faith.

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0:00.0

Ilka, Salam-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a.

0:03.0

Just like for joining me, man. Thanks for having me. All the way from Melbourne, Australia. Yeah, all the way. That is very much appreciated. How long was that, 13 hours? Yeah, well, it was 20 to get to Istanbul, and then from Istanbul, we popped in for an Umra with the family. And, um, but yeah, it was a, on the way from Jeddah, it's only a short, short trip,

0:25.6

a couple of hours.

0:26.6

Ahamah, yeah.

0:27.6

Lovely, man.

0:28.6

Yeah.

0:29.6

Right. Let's get down to business.

0:31.6

Yeah.

0:32.6

Business.

0:33.6

Um, you're a psychologist, you've been a psychologist for over 11 years.

0:37.5

Just 11 years.

0:38.0

And a clinical psychologist candidate, what is clinical psychology?

0:44.8

Okay.

0:46.6

So psychology in general is the field where thoughts or thoughts, emotions and behaviours are studied.

1:00.0

And then clinical psychology is the therapeutic application of that in a clinical setting.

1:04.7

So what that means is there are guidelines for disorders, right?

1:12.6

And we can talk about different types of normality,

1:15.2

but when we say normal, in this case we talk about statistical normality.

1:19.8

What are most of the people?

1:21.1

How are they functioning?

1:22.1

What does their work?

1:22.9

What does their study?

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