The big jobs, jobs, jobs report and the prophecy came true. Jobs light, 12,000, 12,000 in non-farm payroll.

That is the lightest going back to December of 2020.

Make the case against Donald Trump, in particular the comparison you make with 2016 and how the world is different now and how the American

guardrails against him are different now?

Yeah, Cathy, you're absolutely right. This is really a leader about Donald Trump and the

unacceptable risk that we think he poses to America and the world. And the audience that

we had in mind when we wrote this was our many readers who are Republicans. We have Republicans and Democrat world. And the audience that we had in mind when we wrote this was our many readers who are

Republicans. We have Republicans and Democrat readers. And we didn't want this to be kind of a grand

statement for the history books. We wanted to try and lay out to those readers that we have who are

likely to vote for Donald Trump, why we think that he poses a risk. And there are really three sets of reasons. And these are

people who I think will have seen in the first Trump term that actually there was a lot of bombast

and drama, but the economy did pretty well. And he wasn't as catastrophic as people feel.

So I think these are people who probably don't much like him as a person, don't see him as a role

model for their kids, but do think that the risks around him

may be wildly overblown. And we think they're wrong. And in three broad areas, one, what Donald

Trump is promising to do with the economy is way more radical than 2016 and way more dangerous.

His tariff policy, his policy, his promise to deport millions of undocumented migrants, his reckless tax policy, all

of these things we think from just a straight economic perspective are much more dangerous

than people realize.

Secondly, as Richard Haas just laid out to you, the world is much more dangerous.

In 2016, the world was a pretty complicated place, but it was nothing like what we have now, with two wars raging, with a growing axis of evil or whatever you want to call it, between Iran, North Korea, countries like that, Russia. This is a time when America needs its alliances. It's actually one of the great strengths of the Biden administration has been to rebuild alliances and relationships with countries around the world. And Donald Trump, if one thing we know

about him is that he's unpredictable, the other is he has a total contempt for alliances. So that's

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