Welcome, normal people. Our topic today is resurrecting the Bible in the main line church

with our guest, none other than Walter Brugamon.

Yeah, we need a drum roll.

I mean, Brugamon clearly kind of a hero of mine written over a hundred books.

Couldn't even, it would take the podcast.

Actually, I heard that in his church, the kids are quiz, not on Bible verses, but how many

book titles they can remember.

Yeah, that's true. I've heard that on the internet.

That's great. So yeah, they just list them by number. It's actually 98 Brugamon page 43.

So just a real spectacular guy, one of the most influential Bible scholars of our time,

really grateful to get to talk to Brugamon about the Bible and maybe what are some of the

things that you've learned from Brugamon over the years?

I've learned, I mean, really about justice, I think, and injustice in the prophets, which

is there. And again, in my background, which is probably a fairly typical, even jello

gollish background, that's not always emphasized.

Prophets basically predict Jesus. They don't say much about too much else.

Maybe a bit of a caricature, but not too much of a caricature.

But what I like about Brugamon is how he is trying to reconstruct the Bible for the main

line church. Well, why do they need that? Well, because the main line church has passed

through a modern period of biblical scholarship and taken that very seriously. The evangelical

church has tended to sort of do an end around and sort of evade some of the difficult issues.

But now that the main line church has actually passed through what Walter Winkles, the

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