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Episode 4: The Meese Doctrine | The Kingmakers

Master Plan

The Lever & David Sirota

History, News, Politics

4.8671 Ratings

🗓️ 28 April 2026

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

Rather than retreat from Iran-Contra and other scandals, conservative operatives inside the White House — led by Attorney General Edwin Meese — went on the offensive. Drawing on newly uncovered documents and exclusive interviews, we trace how Meese helped turn a fringe idea into doctrine: that all executive power belongs to the president alone. This is the origin story of the unitary executive theory. TRANSCRIPT & BONUS MATERIALS: Click here to read a transcript and to explore bonus archival documents related to Episode 4. 🎧 BONUS: Listen to the full Ed Meese interview here. Get Master Plan episodes early and ad-free by becoming a paid subscriber. Enjoy bonus episodes, exclusive content, and support this show. Visit levernews.com/upgrade To leave a tip for The Lever, click here. It helps us do this kind of independent journalism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:01.7

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0:17.4

There's a link in the show notes.

0:25.2

The Lever. Mr. Attorney General, welcome, sir.

0:30.9

Thank you. Will you please rise and take the old? It was the summer of 1987, a little more than eight months after the public first learned about the Iran-Contra scandal. Congress had launched

0:35.9

its investigation, and after weeks of explosive

0:38.4

testimony from White House officials like Oliver North, the mastermind behind the whole scheme,

0:43.9

it was time for Attorney General Ed Meese to sit in the hot seat. General Meese, all of us here

0:50.0

are eager to get to the truth. In nationally televised hearings, lawmakers grilled mees, trying to reconstruct what happened

0:58.1

inside the Reagan White House during those now infamous days in November when the administration

1:03.2

first realized something had gone very wrong.

1:06.9

You're in a unique position to help us.

1:08.9

You knew most of the people involved and you personally

1:12.5

interviewed them in the course of your fact-finding inquiry. As Attorney General, Ed Meese was the

1:17.6

nation's top law enforcement officer sworn to follow the law wherever the facts led. And as a former

1:23.8

prosecutor, Meese presumably knew how to gather evidence when investigating a crime.

1:28.7

But as members of Congress picked apart the minute-by-minute account of Mies's initial investigation,

1:34.6

his story raised almost as many questions as it answered.

1:38.6

Democratic Senator George Mitchell zeroed in on the inconsistencies.

1:42.1

I've struck by the fact that you met briefly with Mr. McFarland, and at that meeting, you were

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