Episode 4: The Meese Doctrine | The Kingmakers
Master Plan
The Lever & David Sirota
4.8 • 671 Ratings
🗓️ 28 April 2026
⏱️ 48 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, everyone, just a quick note. |
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| 0:25.2 | The Lever. Mr. Attorney General, welcome, sir. |
| 0:30.9 | Thank you. Will you please rise and take the old? It was the summer of 1987, a little more than eight months after the public first learned about the Iran-Contra scandal. Congress had launched |
| 0:35.9 | its investigation, and after weeks of explosive |
| 0:38.4 | testimony from White House officials like Oliver North, the mastermind behind the whole scheme, |
| 0:43.9 | it was time for Attorney General Ed Meese to sit in the hot seat. General Meese, all of us here |
| 0:50.0 | are eager to get to the truth. In nationally televised hearings, lawmakers grilled mees, trying to reconstruct what happened |
| 0:58.1 | inside the Reagan White House during those now infamous days in November when the administration |
| 1:03.2 | first realized something had gone very wrong. |
| 1:06.9 | You're in a unique position to help us. |
| 1:08.9 | You knew most of the people involved and you personally |
| 1:12.5 | interviewed them in the course of your fact-finding inquiry. As Attorney General, Ed Meese was the |
| 1:17.6 | nation's top law enforcement officer sworn to follow the law wherever the facts led. And as a former |
| 1:23.8 | prosecutor, Meese presumably knew how to gather evidence when investigating a crime. |
| 1:28.7 | But as members of Congress picked apart the minute-by-minute account of Mies's initial investigation, |
| 1:34.6 | his story raised almost as many questions as it answered. |
| 1:38.6 | Democratic Senator George Mitchell zeroed in on the inconsistencies. |
| 1:42.1 | I've struck by the fact that you met briefly with Mr. McFarland, and at that meeting, you were |
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