Welcome to another episode of the unofficial born to bowl podcast. I'm your host, Jared Pollen.

Now, before we get too far into this episode, I do want to let anybody know who's listening on the Fronos Photo Podcast channel.

There is currently another podcast channel set aside for the unofficial Born to Bull podcast. It is there. So I'm going to finish the

series and the season out on this channel. And if we do for whatever reason get to continue on,

then I will transition it over there. And that's where all the future born to bowl podcasts

will end up. We will put a link down below in the description so you can go

and follow or subscribe to that channel so you can get all of the future podcasts. So in this episode,

we're going to recap episode four of Born to Bowl. I also sit down with Stu Williams,

who is a, he's a staple of the PBA tour. He is one of these

pros that has been out there since 2008, and he's only won twice, which is, I guess, better

than winning zero times, but he hasn't won since 2018. But his first championship was in 2011, then it was 2018, and now he is still out

there trying to make his way in the world. We'll have an interview with him at the very end

of this episode, but I want to get into the recap first this week and talk about episode four,

which starts off with Australia. Actually, right before it gets to the Australia part, it starts to talk about episode four, which starts off with Australia.

Actually, right before it gets to the Australia part, it starts to talk about shoes.

We talk about Belmo, who has a shoe addiction.

He fell down the rabbit hole of buying Nike's and it goes into that.

Now, I could tell you, earlier cuts had a little bit more of the shoe discussion in there.

But obviously, you know, we've got 28 minutes to work with. You have to make choices of what to cut and what stays in and what goes and what is best for storytelling.

But what I found interesting, and I didn't know this until we were making the show, that bowlers used to spit on their hand and put

it on the bottom of their shoe to help them stick if they were sliding too much. And if they

needed more slide and they were not sliding enough, they would take ash from the cigarettes

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