If you're listening to this episode, you probably know who Kathy Heller is already.

Kathy's podcast, Don't Keep Your Day job, was ranked when the top podcast of 2018.

Kathy is a personal friend of mine and was actually a huge inspiration for me wanting to do this show.

So I was really happy she could make time to come on my show today.

We talked about her personal breakthrough moment and why it's so important to be vulnerable in

real life and on social media. She also shares plenty of tips about what makes a good podcast

the challenges she's had building hers and what she's learned along the way.

If you're thinking about starting your own podcast, you need to listen and take notes.

I certainly did. And even if you aren't, Kathy will inspire you to become your best self.

Thank you. I have the most amazing guests today, guys. I have Kathy Heller.

No, Kathy Heller is the queen, the queen of all podcasts, and I am like beyond thrilled that you're

here. I love you so much. No, please. I sit at the table every day. Every day. I mean,

maybe I feel 22 feet tall. Listen, you don't need me. You have how many four million people who

also love you that much or five million. Oh, excuse me. That's what I mean. Five million.

Pardon me. This girl is slaying every category in podcasting. And I mean, if I can have a mentor

in how to do it right, it is you. I feel the same about you. My husband left a meeting last week.

My husband's like, text Jen to see what she thinks about that. Oh, and she wrote back and I was like,

okay, go live my life. Go on. It is a love fest. We do actually have a love fest. I think you're

incredible. I mean, and you saw this in me way before. Like I was the girl, like just come in L.A.

Just starting out and you're like, cab, you've got the fire in you. Well, not only that,

what you have not you have fire, but you have extreme discipline, determination, and talent.

Because no, I think I don't know. Very determined. Yeah. Beyond. Because this is not your first like,

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