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Episode 397: The Scandal, The Optics, and The Gossip with Allie Jones

Forever35

Doree Shafrir & Elise Hu

Fashion & Beauty, Leisure, Health & Fitness, Arts

4.7 • 5K Ratings

🗓️ 13 April 2026

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

Allie Jones (writer, editor, and celebrity gossip newsletterist) joins the show to discuss what’s happening in the world of celebrity gossip right now, from Brooklyn Beckham’s family drama to Taylor Swift’s bachelorette party. They also chat about how Allie can tell when gossip has reached monoculture, what celebrity culture reveals about society, and the backchannel work that shapes what we know about the biggest names in entertainment.



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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves.

0:15.2

I'm Dori Shafrier.

0:16.7

And I'm Elise Hugh, and we're just two friends who like to talk a lot about serum.

0:20.2

And today we have a real treat for you.

0:24.5

If you are a consumer of celebrity gossip and or commentary on celebrity gossip,

0:33.2

you're probably familiar with the name Ali Jones because she writes the amazing substack newsletter Gossip Time and also contributes to a ton of places.

0:44.4

And she is just so delightful. I loved our conversation with her.

0:49.5

Allie is really funny. I'm a subscriber to Gossip Time. I subscribe to two celebrity substacks. Gossip Time and

0:58.0

Hunter Harris. And they often collab or their topics are in conversation. And I just, I love their

1:04.6

approaches. They both have very distinctive voices as writers. They have distinctive perspectives on

1:10.2

things. Allie, if y'all don't already follow

1:12.9

her, has this section in her newsletter every time called Stuff by Hillary Duff because she's

1:19.7

obsessed with Hillary Duff. And it's so funny. I like live for that segment. She's so funny.

1:32.9

Yeah, she's so, she's so great. So we will get to her later in the episode. Yeah. Elise, how are you doing? I'm pretty tired. I feel a little

1:41.2

sleep deprived this week, but then also that I've been home too much, which then

1:47.4

makes me tired. So like, I need to be out and about with my friends to get energized. And so yesterday,

1:55.8

I came home from one of my many kid drop-offs of Wednesday afternoon. And I kind of had this like

2:02.4

meltdown to Rob and I was like, I got to get out of the house. I've been home like three nights in a row.

2:09.0

And I was home because Luna wanted to have a special sleepover with her dad on her birthday. So her

2:13.7

birthday was Tuesday. She turned nine. Happy birthday to the tuna. And for her, and then she had a normal day. She had musical theater and then she had soccer. And so I was like, do you want to go to Benihana or something for dinner? Because we often go to Benihana for people's birthdays on their actual birthdays. And she was like, no, I just want to stay in and eat like Kraft Mac and

2:34.8

cheese. And can I go to dads and do it? Because she usually, the girls usually are with Maddie on

2:41.3

the weekends. And I was like, great. Have a sleepover or that. I mean, so long as he was down and he was

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