Absolutely. I dealt with a lot of shame, isolation, and I didn't really have anyone in my area to talk to about it. No one was really quiet in my same boat. And I felt like no one felt the way that I did. I still kind of feel like that actually.

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Boss, man, we are here live at the ranchette.

This is the first show.

I can't say it's an ideal podcast location.

What?

I don't mean to hurt your feelings, but there's a lot

of critters around here that are frankly deadly, and there's no AC set up in your garage. Well, you've got plenty of toys that are quite distracting. I feel like we could drive somewhere, we could ride somewhere. There's all kinds of stuff we could do, none of which fall into the podcasting category. Well, this is where I podcast. I'm in shorts, which is pretty typical when it's 100 degrees. You're in long pants, so I can see how you'd be uncomfortable. We're here in Austin. We've got a big event this weekend. We're throwing a party on your property for the members of the D.C. I'm pumped about it, man. I'm nervous. I don't have insurance.

I got to call and update that policy. Today we are going to talk about something that's taboo.

Are you down for it? There's this idea on this show often we set up this dichotomy between,

you know, are you employed or are you an entrepreneur, you know? Do you have a quote real job or have you started a business?

And obviously a lot of people listen in their business owners or they want to be business owners. And once you become a business owner, there can be a lot of pressure to remain one.

And there can be a lot of shame, like negative social pressure if you decide to go back and get a job.

And frankly, I think that sucks.

Why does that suck?

I think it sucks because I think jobs are great for a lot of things.

First off, they can help to reduce a lot of the stress that entrepreneurs have.

So if you want to focus on other things in your life, but also I think jobs are a great place to learn skills. We talk about it all the time. Go get an

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