Hello and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves.

I'm Dory Schaeffreier.

And I'm Elise Hugh, and we're just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.

And today we have a return guest on the show, Marissa Renee Lee.

She is so lovely and so interesting.

And she's out with a new book.

And she's out with a great new book.

Her new book is about uncertainty, which I feel like in these times is like

very salient. Unprecedented, now precedented times. Everything's unprecedented until it becomes

precedented. Yes, exactly. Now we just live in chaos. It's so true. So true.

But speaking of living in chaos, how is your decluttering project going?

Okay.

I have a big update.

Okay.

Let me set this up for you.

So on Sunday, I took Henry to Kid Space, which is a children's museum here in L.A.

And Matt didn't come with us. And he was like, oh, what am I going to do while you guys are gone?

I was like, well, you could get started on the hallway closet. And he's like, yeah, okay, I'll do that.

The hall, let me just, like, the hallway closet is one of those, like, sliding door, like, reach-in closets.

And it had literally just become a repository of randomness and, like, stacks of things.

Like, you could barely even, also the doors were off the track.

So like you could barely even get into it. And then outside the closet was all this other stuff

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