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Episode 393: The Horrors Persist But I Have My Little Crafts with Elinor Cleghorn

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Doree Shafrir & Elise Hu

Fashion & Beauty, Leisure, Health & Fitness, Arts

4.7 • 5K Ratings

🗓️ 16 March 2026

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

Feminist cultural historian, researcher, and the author of A Woman’s Work: Reclaiming the Radical History of Mothering, Elinor Cleghorn, joins the show to discuss how to understand women’s lives when history is written by men, the records of historical women fighting for the right to have choices, and what her vision of a radical future on mothering looks like.  


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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves.

0:15.9

I'm Dory Schaeffreier.

0:17.2

And I'm Elise Hugh, and we're just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.

0:21.5

And today we have Eleanor Clegghorn on the show. A historian. A British historian.

0:29.2

Yes. And we go like thousands of years back with her. We'll have to like speed it along so that we have

0:34.7

enough time for the show because we can't talk about thousands of

0:37.5

years of history. It's true. I mean, you know, as someone who went to grad school for history,

0:44.7

I do appreciate a long, a long historical view. But you won't be getting that today.

0:51.3

Well, yes, you will get like the wide lens. Well, like, I mean, I just mean in her book.

0:56.2

Yes, yes. She goes way back, which is like very interesting, I thought. And also I talked about, we talked about this a little bit in the interview.

1:06.6

But how she sort of got sources for her chapters on like, you know, stuff that happened

1:14.2

like 2,000 years ago about women. There weren't a ton of sources lying around.

1:20.7

Exactly. They just didn't keep track of us because we didn't matter. There just weren't

1:25.2

sources on women, you know, because it was like,

1:27.7

these people are incidental. They just, you know, bear the babies. Whatever. Whatever.

1:36.7

If they die in childbirth, no big deal. There will be another one. It's a fungible, yeah,

1:43.1

fungible asset. Anyway, how are you doing? How are you feeling? How are you taking care of yourself?

1:50.5

You know, I was feeling like kind of off the last few days. And then I was like, oh, was this from the time change? Could it be? Maybe. That's the only thing I could think of.

2:04.4

Like, I was just like, I don't know. I just felt sort of off. Like my, my, it did feel like my circadian rhythm was off.

2:11.8

It could affect you. I mean, they say it affects kids, right? Like, it really messes up kids sometimes little kids so i don't know

2:18.9

yeah i mean if if so hopefully you'll be back to normal just in a couple of days or you will have

2:26.2

adjusted in a couple days right i am feeling more normal today yeah so i think that that is like

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