Hello and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Dory

Shafrier. And I'm Elise Hugh, and we're just two friends who like to talk a lot about syrums.

Welcome to the show. Today we have one of our favorite recurring guests, Rachel Goodwin,

makeup artist to the stars, back on the show to answer your makeup questions and to talk just

generally about makeup. And it's always such a delight to get to talk to Rachel. I really

love our conversations with her. She's going to have a big year too, which she will get into,

and we will let her get into herself. But it means that she hasn't been as busy this award season.

And she's sort of just observing from afar some of the bigger trends,

which is kind of exciting. But she will also answer your questions about cat eye.

She apparently always gets questions about cat eye and how to perfect the cat eye and products

and things. But before we get to Rach, like, Dorah, I just want to check in

with you and see, are there certain things that you're loving that you have worked into your

makeup routine or your skincare routine? Yes. And I should say before I recommend these, that these

were things that were sent to me.

So these were gifted to me.

I just want to be clear about that.

Full disclosure.

Full disclosure.

But the outset, which is Scarlett Johansson's skincare beauty company, I actually really like

their products.

They sent me their lip oasis.

It's a gloss, but it's also moisturizing. It's also like a balm. And it comes in four different

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