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You are not alone.

You have found other people.

You and I have a friend in common.

Every stupid thing that a writer could do I've done. I think it's really beautiful. Jesus, state it was what I struggle, you know? It was incredible. You know, it's like your head exploded, seeing what was really there. And now here's your host, Brad Listy. Just one person at just one time. Right, right. Here we go again. This is it. This is other people. This is you and a listening device.

This is me and a speaking device. How's it going on? I'm Brad Listy. I'm in Los Angeles. I'm sitting here in Los Angeles. My posture, uh, mediocre. Slouching a little bit. My guest today is Katie Disabato. She's not mediocre. She's exemplary.

Her debut novel, The Ghost Network, is available now from Melville House.

Katie was just over here. Katie Disabato. She's not mediocre. She's exemplary. Her debut novel, The Ghost Network, is available

now from Melville House. Katie was just over here, not too long ago. She came over. She sat down.

Her posture was perfect. She talked to me. I recorded it with her full knowledge and consent.

I'm going to be playing that for you in just a moment.

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