Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Fizzle show. I'm your host, Corbett Barr, and this is our podcast about earning a living independently doing something you love. And today, you know our guest. He's a former Fizzle team member. He's the chief operating officer at ConvertKit. And he's just one of my favorite people to talk to about the topic today, and that

is the golden age of creators. Barrett, thanks so much for being on. Hey, Corbett. Glad to have you back.

It's been a little while, not too long, but it's been a while. Last year we had John a couple of times.

We're getting better at this. We're getting more frequent with my returns home.

I hope that you know that I really appreciate you spending time with us because you're a busy man.

I know that you are over there in your home office, locked away doing Zoom all day long,

mostly having management calls for ConvertKit and working with your team. There's a lot

to do over there because you've got, what do you guys have like 60 employees now? Yeah, 60 people

now, yeah. You're a busy person and we appreciate you being here. So we won't waste your time

or anybody else's today. We're going to get into a really juicy topic. And this is

something that I think you and I see each other writing about a little bit, commenting on,

on Twitter, and so on. And that is just that it feels like all of a sudden, it's almost like

that overnight success story. You know, you hear about a person being an overnight

success, but you look and see that they've been toiling away for 15 years.

Now, it's almost as if we're seeing the overnight success of the creator or of the creator economy.

And everywhere you look, there's new software, new platforms, new VCs popping up who are obsessed with the creator economy. So I wanted to have

you on because you think about this every day for work and you think about it every day just because

it's in your blood, right? Right. What's been bringing this up for you lately? Like, give us inside

the mind of somebody who's operating one of these platforms that's built for

creators and who's been doing so for several years. And you've seen things change dramatically

in just that little bit of time. Well, it's fascinating because, so you and I started working

together almost eight years ago now, between seven and eight years ago. And creator wasn't a thing at the time, number one.

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