What's up guys, this is Kevin Estella with the FeelCrasherBowell Podcast.

I've got a good buddy on the podcast with me today.

This is a guy who, you know, in the survival industry, you could say that we were kind of

like in the same graduating class, which doesn't make any sense because we never attended

the same schools or anything like that.

But, you know, when I look at the folks around me to my left and to my right, I think about

who came up in the industry around the same time as I did.

And, you know, I really took it more professionally than just kind of woods bumming in the early

2000s.

And back in the early 2000s, there was an event here in North Carolina.

It was actually on the western part of the state in Marion, North Carolina called Practice

What You Preach.

And it was a gathering put together by Terrell Hoffman, who's an industry photographer and

an outdoorsman.

And it was kind of like if you talk about something online, here's your opportunity to come

and show it.

So all of us, you know, we're all big swing and dicks and this and that.

You know, we're trying to show off what we know.

And I just was introduced to, you know, two of my good buddies that I call today Joe

Flowers and Ruben.

And it was just one of those cool opportunities to show like, hey, look, we're legitimate.

We know what we're doing.

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