I'm your host for this episode, my name is Kevin Estella, and I'm joined by Jordan Jonas.

Now, unless you guys have been living under a rock, which is very possible if your name

is Roland Wilker or one of the other contestants on a loan, you probably are aware of this hit

television show, which has been on the history channel now for multiple seasons.

And this gentleman who joins me on the podcast today is one of those guys who, as I was watching

the show based on my background, I was like, damn, this guy is doing it right.

Wow, he's impressive, holy crap.

He's doing it so well.

So with that being said, over the years, people have said, well, who would you like to have

on the podcast?

And I'm like, I'd love to get Jordan Jonas at some point.

And people have said, well, why don't you do the show?

And I've given my reasons.

And I'm like, well, I'd have to go up and, you know, he set the bar extremely high.

But I am so excited to have him on the podcast because I was very, very impressed.

And, you know, I've met multiple contestants from the show.

And, you know, Nicola Pelian has a recommendation from my book on the back cover of the book.

And I've met a bunch of folks that I've been very impressed with.

But this guy, you know, among these giants, he's the cream of the crop.

So try not to inflate his head too much.

Correct.

So Jordan, thank you so much for joining us.

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