The Brothers, sisters, sisters, welcome to episode 37 of So de Jerker on songwriting,

now officially endorsed by leading dieticians

as one of your essential five podcasts today.

It's Simon and Brian here as always and joining us today of the musical architect behind Electronic Pop pioneers Heaven 17.

It's Martin Wir and Glenn Gregory.

We're very excited to welcome Martin and Glenn to the podcast.

We're big fans of early 80s electronic pop

and Heaven 17's penthouse and pavement

is one of the sacred texts of that era

as far as we're concerned.

I got to see them perform the album in fact a couple of years ago in Manchester and was blown away

the song sounded so fresh and they really put it on a terrific show.

He made up?

I am, yeah.

That's actually something that we used to say a lot at school, that isn't it?

Yeah, anyone shows any enthusiasm about anything, you just say you're made up.

And it completely deflates them. Try it.

Martin Ware and Glen Gregory were both born and raised in Sheffield, a city in

South Yorkshire in the north of England. They met in the early 70s while in their mid-teens and

discovered the shared love of music, becoming fast friends and playing informally in a number of different bands.

I think some of their early band names were musical vomit and underpants.

Good strong names.

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